Abusive Personalities II   (10/14/98)
	Judy wrote: you haven't a shred of real evidence that JK is dangerous or that others who think like him are in any way harmful to others. [snip] Spyral wrote: We have had several reports here, about his "rules" document that people read them and felt personally disenfranchised because what he advocates is not something they would participate in -- because the impression they had, after reading the whole bloody thing, disclaimer included, was not that they should ignore all the rules they didn't like, but that if you don't do it his way, it's not "real" slavery. This is one of the reasons that I continually get involved in discussions like I am currently in. There should *never* be anyone that feels like they don't belong because they do something differently. There is far too much diversity in this world to ever think that we have to be little carbon copies of someone else, or that we have to feel just like another person. Judy wrote: But i seriously doubt he is dangerous. Spyral wrote: Is JK *personally" dangerous? I think not. He has had one or two lovers admit that he's not really like this in person, that he doesn't actually follow his own rules, but the way he talks makes it sound like he is so fully vested in it that he must be actually doing what he puts forth. And this is part of why I think he must be confronted on things. I believe in and live what I say. I make certain that people understand that what I do is *not* for everyone. And make certain that they know that it's *OK* that it's not for everyone. Just like I'll spew out safety info for what I do, or any one of a dozen other things. If you post, you need to be responsible for not only *what* you write, but how it is received and be responsible for the outcome of posting negligently. Spyral wrote: Since there are people who will fall for JK's claim of "expert" status, and thus guess that he is giving good how-to info, I think it is right and proper that people point out when he is way off base. It is JK who turns such objective statements of fact into flame wars. Point on when he is off base, and where, and how, and how to correct it :) Judy wrote: And at least he thinks for himself, he doesn't let others do his thinking for him. Gee, Judy, who's doing the thinking for me? I mean, I've had a rather long, drawn out conversation with the man and he keeps telling me that I need to just *try* it. If I just wanted someone to do my thinking for me, I'd do what he said, wouldn't I? Spyral wrote: Hmmmph. As well as I can see from his responses, which I killfiled some time ago but still see quoted elsewhere, he doesn't think at all. He has not, to the best of my knowledge, ever admitted that there were any safety issues with anything that he has suggested, nor that any actions he advocates (including psychological ones, as are currently being described in the thread on humiliation) may be harmful even to *some* people. He just acts like he has his back up against a wall and that if we disagree he has to push back by insisting more loudly that he is right and everyone else is wrong. Which is, in part, why I have decided to keep on discussing things in that thread. That and I'm bored and it give me something to do between talks with Argentium :) Spyral wrote: (And, just as an aside, kudos to Argentium G. Tiger and to Moonlight for managing to maintain their cool in the face of statements about their relationship from JK like " If you wanted to be perceived differently then you two should have tried harder." and all his other weird assertions about the nature of their relationship and what A.G.T. *should* do to moonlight.) Oh, there have been moments that we have ranted to each other about JK. Privately, but it's happened. Ridiculed him, too. But, I've been trying to keep it out of that thread in particular, so that it keeps going and people can learn from it. Tiger's well capable of deciding what to do on his own :) And, I think it's amusing to him, somewhat, for him to learn more about how I think and react. So, it's of *some* use, if nothing else :) And, thank you :)