Abusive Personalities III  (10/17/98)
	Lawless wrote: JKay, for instance, keeps tossing out incoherent and ofttimes rather ill-advised (dangerous) suggestions. He feels no need to mention any safety concerns, JK wrote: In part that this group is made of enthusiasts who can be assessed for more info and whom can offer more info, and in part that readers can search for more info on their own. I think it is fairly safe to say that if you are here on SSBB, that you are web experienced Got news for you. I didn't know anything about Usenet when I started posting on ASB. And I still don't know much about the web. I avoid it on most days. So, no, not everyone is web experienced. Or Usenet experienced. The two are not equivalent. JK wrote: and can search for the various FAQs that are available on BDSM and can search for more information if needed. I believe that it is a rather very small percentage that wouldn't go out and do their homework. You'd be wrong. Lawless wrote: he refuses to admit that some of the things he suggests are dangerous as anything other than wanking material, JK wrote: Are you suggesting that people won't find what they identify with the activities that I suggest, won't modify what they read to fit them, won't do a bit of homework, won't decide on their own if the activity is what they would like to do or not, and won't be able to make decisions on their own without being told? A lot of them *will*. Not all of them. I started reading here when I was 19. And I was *far* from the youngest person that ASB ever saw. People at that age do *not* have the knowledge base to discriminate safe and unsafe and are more likely to try something dangerous. JK wrote: Are you suggesting that every effort should be taken in as much detail as possible to try to ensure that no one will ever get hurt? If you are, then postings on ssbb will need to be hellish long, in fact, so lengthy that I would expect most people won't spend the time to read them. They only want the meat of what is being said. We're not saying that you need to cover *every* aspect. Just the ones that you can think of....and that will point out that something *IS* dangerous and that people should *THINK* about what they're considering. JK wrote: And whatever is wrong with wanking material - are you saying that those doing BDSM shouldn't be turned on by it? Hope not. There's nothing wrong with wanking material. As long as it is not mistaken for non-wanking material. JK wrote: I speak my opinions, practice my kink my way and post a wide variety of observations that I have made based on my years of experience in the scene and for that I get slammed because it doesn't fit the SSBB way. Now who is preaching One Way Truism?! No, you get slammed because your years of experience don't mean squat when you don't make *USE* of them and promote what you're saying safely. And when you deride everyone else and not being as experienced as you are, whether you know that for a fact or not. And when you vehemently say that your practices are safe and that people will think before they try something because there are a lot of people out there that *just* *don't* *think*. Frankly, I'm beginning to think that you're one of them. Lawless wrote: Really? Some people have been treated badly enough, for so long, that certain words, a single word, can cause them to revisit that time and space. A single word -can- make a person miserable, draw into themselves, start shouting, or even go violent. JK wrote: You can't protect the world and all of its insecurities of all those in it. No, but you can stop advocating that a person try something when they *KNOW* *WHAT* *THEIR* *OWN* *TRIPWIRES* *ARE*. JK wrote: There are always going to be people that you will never know that you affected badly or well, but should you be so very careful to behave and to express yourself in ways that there could be little if any harm brought down on such sensitive and/or insecure people? Are you willing to live for them or not for you? Aren't you entitled to live life that way you want to or do you believe that you just can't do that because someone along the way might be hurt by what you do or say? You are not entitled to trample other people beneath your feet in your quest for glory or getting off.