To Masters: Some things to do with your female slaves V  (11/28/98)
	Claudia wrote: Now comes Dominant Master. He hasn't even had a chance to be who he is --- chudwah or otherwise --- and he's being negatively judged on a SIGNATURE for goodness sakes. Um, not quite. He posted something that I considered the height of cluelessness and flamed him for it. For which, he posted a lackwitted notice that I was being killfiled (or Lynn was, I'm not sure which, it wasn't clear. Seeing as he's still responding to Lynn, though, we'll have to assume it was me.) I commented on his killfiling of me, including a comment about the Dominant Master *cough* signature at the bottom. It took off from there. So, in some sense, he's deserved everything he's gotten. Claudia wrote: Nothing important at all. And by some of the most prolific and intelligent (at least I thought so) people on this NG. Well, then perhaps he needs to think about *why* so many of the people here are flaming him, eh? Usually, half a dozen intelligent people don't go off half cocked on the same thing at the same time without some reason. Maybe he just *doesn't* understand our social structure here. If that's the case, he's getting a crash course. This is the way that it has always been in this group and in ASB before it. Either he sticks it out and learns from it, or he leaves and finds a group that he fits in better. There's nothing wrong with either option. Claudia wrote: He's subjected to a considerable amount of pressure to do things according to how those people think they should be done! No, on what each individual happens to perceive as correct. It just so happens that the "community" that we have here in SSBB is unified on some things. That creates a social "structure". Violating those social structures has a price. Just like it does for all of us as people that violates the broader social structure that says that what we do is "wrong." We pay a price for that. Claudia wrote: On a SIGNATURE! There is no danger here. He can call himself anything he wants, can't he? That hurts no one. Sure he can. And I don't see him changing it. The people here, though, also have the right (I hate that word, someone give me a better one...) to jump up and down and yell clueless at him after trying to explain their way of thinking. Each action, on both sides, creates a reaction. Claudia wrote: If he's a chudwah (love that word!) and deserving of the scorn that is being heaped on him - let him post on subjects and PROVE it - in the way that JKay has - and congratulate JKay that at least his name is acceptable! Perhaps JKay does have something worthwhile to say after all .... DM or FH or whatever we're calling him at the moment, posted that he thought that it was perfectly OK to have a slave undress in a parking deck that had not been checked out. That it was ok to endanger that slave because she is his property, regardless of what might happen, to prove that he was in charge. *Regardless* of whether or not he has the "right" to do that, I consider that wrong. Not *only* can it give the slave a police record, it can damage their relationship, her mental state, and a host of other things. *THIS* was what brought the flames up originally, and I stand by that. It is not, in my opinion, a safe thing to do. JK is a different issue. Yes, he has some things to say, some of which are even good and important. Even if he only is someone that we can bounce things off of, critique, or flame to point out errors, it still gets out safety information, one way or another. I don't consider the time that I spent talking with him about humiliation for the public's consumption a waste of time at all. If only for the fact that there were a few people that were interested/helped/feeling better by seeing some of what was said. Whether that was due to him or me is irrelevant, as we both took part in the thread. Claudia wrote: Now as a new person on this list, I hate to post this. Obviously - my credibility will suffer since I am, in effect, going against the "in-group" - the ones who "know", the apparent "leaders", if only by virtue of prolific posting. And me a newbie at that. But no way am I going to let my fear of not being "accepted" or "acceptable" prevent me from saying what I think. It's my curse. *sigh* There's no reason why you shouldn't post your opinions. After all, that's what we all do. :) Some of us are just more....opinionated than others. That doesn't make what they say invalid, nor what you say, for that matter. Sometimes it takes a new perspective to learn something. Claudia wrote: Claudia (whole unadorned name, no teasing, no "gender-hiding", no reference to mythical creatures, or psuedo-royalty, no cleverness, no overweening arrogance or humility - do I get extra points???) Only if you have chocolate :)