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moonlight wrote:
Usually, changing structure means getting people onto your
side, and you've pretty well alienated most people here.
JK wrote:
Big deal. Not the kind of people I would hang out with nor want on my side to
begin with.
Then why do you post here, eh? And *you* were the one that seemed to
think that this social structure needed changed. You want to
pontificate that it needs changed but have someone else do that work
of that, maybe?
Or, perhaps you just like to bitch and moan like you accuse others of
doing?
moonlight wrote:
Do I think he would do it? No. And I selected a partner that holds
the same values that I do. So what?
JK wrote:
You selected a partner you can control and top from the bottom in my opinion.
ExCUSE me? My choosing a partner with the same values that I have is
me topping from the bottom? Where the hell do *you* get off?
Because I am strong minded and know what I like and want I top from
the bottom?
Because I make no bones about how I feel and think, I top from the
bottom?
Because I am allowed to be who I *am*, I top from the bottom?
Because I live the way my Master has asked me to, I top from the
bottom?
Because I follow his direct orders, I top from the bottom?
Oh. Yes. I am not a cow (shouldn't that technically be a heifer?)
that has no life other than throwing myself into harms way at the
flick of an idiot's finger to satisfy his whims no matter what danger
there is to me. Therefore I must top from the bottom.
Git.
moonlight wrote:
No, JK, that isn't *ALL* that matters. There are two people in any
relationship. Even a D/s one that is a lifestyle relationship. Guess
what? You are repsonsible for your slave and her happiness and her
needs. It's not all about getting just what is important to you.
JK wrote:
And how I choose to do that is totally up to me and not her at all.
That's fine. And you know what? I hope that each and every one of
the slaves that comes to harm at your hands comes back at you with at
*least* a lawsuit.
You lead your life in the most reprehensible manner I can imagine,
refusing to take the responsibility that your actions warrant. You've
said in other places that if you believe something doesn't exist, it
doesn't.
This allows you to escape each and every consequence that you do not
want to deal with. And I hope to Ghod that anyone that is reading
this and was thinking about you as a partner thinks *very* hard about
whether they want that kind of......pleasure.
moonlight wrote:
What a selfish, cloddish way to live your life.
JK wrote:
Typical response from a slave, or whatever you call yourself, who hasn't
learned to give all she is to their Master, or whatever he is.
For myself, I don't give a rat's ass what you think of me. Suffice it
to say that the people that matter here, both on this newsgroup and
off of it, know exactly what I am. And that is a lifestyle slave.
As for my Master...How DARE you make a comment like that? He has been
*nothing* but polite to you. And you don't even have the *guts* to
stand up and insult him to his face. You have to insult him through
his slave where he may or may not even see it....
Because you are, again, afraid to deal with the consequences. I
believe that you will be seeing a response to this from him, probably
right about when you see mine.
You have just proven yourself to be an idjit of the greatest caliber.
moonlight wrote:
He isn't taking the risk here, JK. The slave is. No matter how long
or loud you beat that drum, SHE is the one that will be arrested if
she's caught. Not you. HER.
JK wrote:
But you are assuming they will get caught and that he will pick a garage where
it is likely she will get caught. you jump to conclusions without any evidence
that the text you do have leads directly to such conclusions.
Is it really that hard for you to understand that I am talking about
risk evaluation here? And that one possible outcome is that she will
get caught?
Are you denying that it is not possible that the *gasp* Master might
miss something? Or that he might not see something? And that that
might lead to her getting into trouble?
Or are you just that lackadasical that you can't stand to admit that
you might not be perfect?
moonlight wrote:
A Master that cared about his slave would *not* put her in the
position of being arrested for HIS kicks.
JK wrote:
that's probably true - assuming the risk is so high as to practically
guarantee that she would get arrested - but that is strictly an assumption. If
I hear you correctly - are you saying that no Master should ever place his
slave into scene that had even the most remote chance for being arrested? If
you are - I am afraid that you will find that there are a lot of couples who
play with the risks and like it that way.
As I said, that's their right. I think it's a pretty stupid way to
play.
I play with risks that most people would consider to high. That's
their right. I've been told I'm not "safe" because of that. That's
their right too. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. And
entitled to say them.
Mine happens to be that a possible run in with law enforcement is not
worth my time or energy when it's simpler to avoid it.
And no, I don't feel that a Master should place his slave in the
position of possibly being arrested. That shows lack of concern. Did
you think that your saying that other people play differently than me
would shock me or make me feel bad?
If you did, you're obviously badly disappointed.
moonlight wrote:
I have said on more than one occasion that what Argentium and I do is
decided by him. Not me.
JK wrote:
So if he choose to put you into a risky situation - would you do it or not? I
mean if what you say above is true - what choice do you have??
As I have stated multiple times at this point, if he decides to
something, it will be done. I don't know how to say that any more
clearly than that....I've stated it that bluntly in the past, and you
*STILL* say that I am topping from the bottom by choosing someone that
suits my needs and desires before submitting to them completely in the
manner that I do.
moonlight wrote:
There are safer ways of going about creating that image and keeping
the slave in the dark completely. Risking a run in with the law is
just stupid, plain and simple.
JK wrote:
I guess some of us are just a bit more daring than you are.
Considering some of the things that I've done that you are not
privledged to know about at this time, I would have to laugh in your
face. Because I choose not to get involved with law enforcement
officials does not mean that I am not daring or don't enjoy an
adrenaline high.
I'm sure that Jay gets fits when I talk about breath control.
moonlight wrote:
I think it's sheer stupidity to play with
permanently damaging a person.
JK wrote:
Fine for you, but much, much different for others.
There you have it folks. JK doesn't care if he permanently damages
someone.
With the underlying attitude that they are, after all, just cows and
replaceable.
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