Normally, at this point, I would prolly draw out of the *ahem* discussion, since there is not any point in continuing. This time, however, I cannot. I had a very strange reaction to this post when I read it this morning, and so I talked with Argentium about it. I sent him the post since I know that he has JK killfiled. This is what he had to say:
- A.G.Tiger says "He tried to non consensually top you with humiliation
play, you have not only my permission, but my encouragement to tear
him a new asshole."
A.G.Tiger says "You will start the post: 'On my Master's Orders to not allow lasting Harm to come to myself...'"
A.G.Tiger says "And then you will refute his points acidly."
A.G.Tiger says "There are many possibilities for dealing with this post Love... You are not inconsistent to me, you do not have too much toppish energy, and if you did, all the more treat that you totally submit to me."
A.G.Tiger says "And if I found you dishonest or inconsistent, or any of the things that JK is accusing you of, don't you think I'd point that out?"
A.G.Tiger says "Don't you think you'd have an unholy, angry terror on your hands to deal with if I felt those things?"
moonlight says "I know. I'm not worried about *you* in the least....."
A.G.Tiger says "They why are you worried about THIS moron?"
A.G.Tiger says "He's baiting you."
A.G.Tiger says "So refute it."
And this is why I love the man more than life itself some nights....so, without further ado....
This is my response, following orders. :) Everyone duck and cover.
...On my Master's Orders to not allow lasting Harm to come to myself...
- moonlight wrote:
You lead your life in the most reprehensible manner I can imagine, refusing to take the responsibility that your actions warrant. You've said in other places that if you believe something doesn't exist, it doesn't.
JK wrote:
I have my opinions about you and your guy - just as you do of me. I don't find you to be all that stable to be honest -
You'll forgive me if your *ahem* assessment doesn't send me scurrying off to the nearest shrink for help. If you were trying to score a point here or make me question myself, it was a pretty lame attempt. Of course, we've seen your best already and it's sadly lacking in originality, luster, salient points, and just plain common sense. This being the case, your judgment on my mental state just is *not* very high on my list of concerns. It ranks right below what the garbage man wore when he picked up the trash this morning. He must have forgotten to take you with him.
- JK wrote:
...just not my type
Thank *GOD*. If I had to deal with pathetic examples of manhood such as yourself, I would have to think about ways to get you out of my life. Putting rat-traps in your boxer shorts springs to mind.
- JK wrote:
nor one that I can recommend as a good example of a slave identified female through whom to admire.
You know, you'd make more sense if you turned on that pitiful excuse of a thing that you claim is a brain. "Through whom to admire" is not only structurally suicidal, it's just plain illiterate.
And speaking of rats, I really couldn't give one's ass if you consider me a good example of being a "slave identified female" or not (which I don't identify as - I identify as a slave. Period, end of sentence.). The fact remains, darling John, that I have been and will remain a woman of pride and bearing who is also slave to her Master (not just 'guy').
I have pride in the fact that I have helped innumerable people through what I say here on SSB and on ASB before it. I have pride in what I do and who I am. And I grovel only before those that deserve that gift. I kneel before those people most humbly and lovingly and do their bidding.
That doesn't mean you or any random chudwah off the street gets jack shit until you earn it. Prove to me you're a Master, *then* we'll talk.
- JK wrote:
Now maybe some like your type of relationship and attitude - fine - you have your group of friends and I mine. I think you have way too much top energy for a slave.
Honeybear, I switch from time to time, so stick *THAT* in your craw and smoke it. I do not switch within a relationship. And I play as my Master bids me. And I am still, despite your protestations, a lifestyle slave. I will, in the very near future, be with Argentium on a 24/7 basis. That, dearie, is lifestyle slavery. Let me know when you achieve that in your life.
- JK wrote:
And your postings lack consistency in what you think you are from what you feel and say you are doing or willing to be put through by Arg.
I don't think I am anything. I know who and what I am. And I know what will happen when Tiger tells me to do something. Because those things are not comprehensible to you (though they seem to be to everyone else...perhaps it's time for you to have a reality check...) does not mean that they are not internally consistent.
If you want to blither on about how I am not consistent, then prove it. Put up or shut up. Copy out where I have not been consistent. Go on. I dare you.
- JK wrote:
I simply don't see you, at least in print, to be honest in your relationship to Arg
Trying to get me ticked off by questioning my honor? Nice play. Doesn't work. You'd have to have some credibility with me for it to even ping my meter to be seriously considered. The only people that need to worry about the honesty of my words and relationship are Tiger, Bronze (his wife), Twilight (his slave), and myself. They seem to be satisfied with them.
- JK wrote:
and to who you think you are in that relationship.
I'm Tiger's slave. Who did you *think* I was, dear? Yours? Not hardly.
- JK wrote:
Your type of relationship is not what I would call a good example. Again my opinion.
I shudder to think of what you consider a "good" example. Truly, I do. There's just not any way that I can see what you do as terribly healthy for anything but your dick. And it's about the only thing that gets any exercise, since it's what seems to lead you around and do your thinking.
- JK wrote:
How I do my kink works for me and my slaves and for the past trainees and slaves that I have had.
Yes, we've heard about your exemplary 22 years of experience with 35 women...er....females....er...cows. And about how you don't follow your own rules. And about how you don't believe in this or that or how this or that ruins the "thrill" of it all.
How many of your slaves are still with you again? How many of them live this type of life? How many of them are more than just occasional partners? How much of this life do you live full time? How much of your experience is just catch as catch can at parties and clubs and lacks meaningful depth?
Can't answer those? Too bad.
- JK wrote:
I don't expect you to understand it
Oh, I understand it. Nigh unto perfectly. Because I don't agree with it doesn't mean that I don't understand it. That's where your logic always falls flat on its face. Slaves do not have to agree with you. Slaves do not have to bother with you at all, unless you are THEIR Master.
And *that*, more than anything, is what I think bothers you about SSB. We just don't care what you think you are in your own mind. We, the slaves and subs that share my opinions, don't give you the proper respect that you think you deserve as a self-styled Master. You're so insecure in yourself that you can't stand that someone will dare to disagree with you if they are a woman.
I noticed that you didn't bother to reply to Argentium's post to you. Rather, you waited until he wasn't watching you anymore to take potshots at his slave. Didn't have the guts to go after a person that *is* a Master and that might just show you to be the gutless wonder that you are? I'll bet you thought that if you came down hard enough on me that I'd roll over and go away. Isn't that how a True Slave would behave? Particularly when a True Master reprimanded them?
- JK wrote:
nor think it is the way you should go for you.
You're damn right it's not where I would choose to go. Your little fantasy world is about as ripe smelling as three day old road kill that the maggots have gotten into.
- JK wrote:
And I don't have to go along with the crowd here.
No, I suppose you don't. But you know what? That just shows what kind of problems *you* have. I'd say you have severe problems with authority.
- JK wrote:
I happen to be of a M/s orientation and far, far from a D/s one.
Here it comes...the "I'm so much better than all of you it's pathetic" dance. We've all seen this posturing before, and you do it even more lamely than the others have in the past. You are about as far from being a Master as I've had the displeasure of running across in a long time. Because you have a dick and *might* know how to use it doesn't make you a Master. It doesn't even qualify you to be a man. Male, yes. A man, no.
- JK wrote:
Some of you have some grave problems with that
You're delusional, sweetiekins. The only one that seems to have a problem with your M/s lifestyle is you. You imagine wars between M/s and D/s and think that you're so misunderstood and that everyone is out to get you. That's pretty classic paranoia by any mental health standard.
- JK wrote:
and while I do practice a bit of safety,
A *BIT* of safety???? Good lord. What can one *say* to something like that except to ask you to post the contacts for your partners so that we can send flowers to the ones that don't make it.
- JK wrote:
I certainly do not always let my partners in on what the safety issues are.
I, and many others, couldn't care less if you tell your partner about the safety issues on things....only that you *PAY ATTENTION TO THEM AND TAKE THEM INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE PLAYING*. Is that clear enough now for your little delusion filled head? Yes, it would be a good idea to talk to a person ahead of time (NO, not immediately before doing it) to make certain they understand the safety issues. But *YOU*, as a dom, are responsible for the person in your care and should be aware of safety and bringing said partner through in one piece.
Do you understand yet, you sorry excuse for a pissant?
- JK wrote:
They deferred that responsibility to me and do not have any interest in knowing about it - period.
They may have deferred the responsibility about it, but their interest is probably still there. Regardless of what is going on in *their* heads, YOU are responsible for the slave's safety and well being.
- JK wrote:
For some of you that need that - then express that you do, but realize that just about everyone in BDSM practices a bit differently.
*GASP* NO! Say it isn't SO! We're...... individuals???? *FAINT*
- JK wrote:
For all the ballyhoo about OTW shit here - you and others sure are expressing the very thing you rallied against me about doing.
Well, gee. I guess we all just have this thing about seeing our partners come out of this *ALIVE*. We must be truly horrible people.
- moonlight wrote:
This allows you to escape each and every consequence that you do not want to deal with.
JK wrote:
Who in hell put you in charge of writing the rules for how people should handle their problems??!! I will do as I wish in such matters. And since it works so well for me I shall continue.
Well, gee, JK. I considered it a comment on what I thought of you and your methods. I didn't consider it a *rule* or anything. I'm not sure where your twisted little mind came up with that, but I've about given up trying to follow your "logic". You're getting a little worked up there, aren't you?
What's the matter? Did a poor, little slave get under your skin? Get you hot under the collar?
Whoops! I forgot. True Masters don't wear collars.
- moonlight wrote:
And that is a lifestyle slave.
JK wrote:
In your dreams.
No, actually in my day to day life. The collar I wear to work says so. Thanks for asking.
- JK Wrote:
As Clint once said - you're a legend in your own mind.
I hope, one day, to have left a mark on the world and to have made it a slightly better place for my family and friends. I suppose that could be thought of as a legend. Though it's not a common usage of the word. I don't seek to be anything but what I am. Despite your obvious desire to try to hammer at that picture. It's not working, in case you couldn't tell.
- JK wrote:
I would suspect tho that what you write here isn't anything like you offline.
Well, according to the people that I've met so far, I'm pretty much what you see here. They've been able to pick me out of a crowd and start talking to me, picking up where we may have left of in a conversation online. And at some later point they tell me that I'm pretty much the same here or in person. Your assertions to the contrary, some people are not caricature of their real life personality. Perhaps you should try being yourself. It's ever so much more fun....Well, unless you're Fnord.
- JK wrote:
Like I have always said - it's all just text.
Perhaps to you. And that's probably for the best. God knows if you were like this in person, you'd have been torn to little ribbons by now.
- JK wrote:
There simply is no way for me or anyone to really know the emotions nor the person behind the words.
When there is no contact between people in RL, no there is not. However, something that you've failed to grasp so far is that a large number of us know each other in RL. We know how the others react, their emotions, their beliefs, what they like and don't like, and what they smell like.
- JK wrote:
It's alot like what we think of radio dj's - which most of the time never are what or who we think they are in real life.
Personally, I don't think much of radio dj's at all. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Between women...er...females....er...slaves...er...cows?
- JK wrote:
We can share here by words and thoughts posted. We can discuss those, but we really can't see what a person is like till we jump to phone or to rl. It is one of the bad thinks about the written word.
You seem to be the only problem here with the written word. Perhaps you should take all the people that are saying you're a shitty writer into account and try to figure out how to communicate here?
- moonlight wrote:
Is it really that hard for you to understand that I am talking about risk evaluation here? And that one possible outcome is that she will get caught?
JK wrote:
If you are interested in being responsible - you would have presented both sides. You didn't and I am calling you on it.
Well, you know, I had assumed that if I was *RESPONDING* to someone, then the opposite side of what I was presenting was *ALREADY* *THERE* in the form of what the previous poster had said. Gosh. How logical of me. Pardon me for using such a leap in my reasoning. It won't happen again. I will just repeat what the other poster has said, or perhaps paraphrase it, before going on with my own thoughts.
Not to mention the fact that I said that…pay attention now, this is important…ONE possible outcome was that she COULD get caught. Note the possible and could? Not to mention the word one? That would indicate that there is more than one possible outcome here.
I must remember not to use my brain. I *am* a slave after all. We wouldn't want to confuse the Master here. Because we all *know* that they're always right.
- JK wrote:
As far as my comments about you and Arg - now you know how I feel at times - so how does it feel to be treated like dirt?!
Were you treating me like dirt? And here I thought you were just throwing a temper tantrum like a two year old. It's about at the level that your mind seems capable of responding to another human being.
"I'm a Master, darn it! You will obey me! You will do what I say! Now!"
*stamp of the foot*
- JK wrote:
Not so cool when the shit I get is flown back in your general direction is it?!
That's thrown, dear. And did you throw some?
It looked, from here, like you smeared your own shit all over yourself and the walls around you. Much like the above mentioned two year old.
Even a dog knows not to shit in its own bed, JK.
- JK wrote:
Frankly, you deserved it lock, stock and barrel!
Translation: "You're so MEAN! Take *THAT*!"
- JK wrote:
Nope, not at all. Anything can happen, but you tend to act from the worst standpoint instead of teaching how really cool it could be and what can be done.
I figure that people that are here either know or are learning that this stuff is "cool". (God help us. It's cool to be kinky.) I'm also rational enough to know that not everyone knows everything and that not everyone is infallible like you seem to think you are, JK.
- JK wrote:
And you insult your readers by assuming they are stupid.
No, I assume that there are new people reading that are not aware of all of what I know and have gathered over the years that I have been doing this. Some of those things that I talk about will be familiar to people that have been in the scene for a while. So what? They can skip that. Did *YOU* know everything when you'd been playing for a year or so? You don't, now, so of course you didn't then.
The readers here are not stupid. Not by a long shot. With the possible exception of yourself, of course.
There *are* people here that are not as knowledgeable as others that post. Guess what. They come here to learn. Shocking, I know.
- moonlight wrote:
As I said, that's their right. I think it's a pretty stupid way to play.
JK wrote:
Funny you mentioned earlier that if Arg wanted it done - that you would do it. An example of how wish washy you are.
You know, it would help if you could make a logical argument. This is getting to be like throwing dynamite into a barrel of fish.
I fail to see how what I think about a certain lack of responsibility in a situation has *any* bearing on whether I will or will not do what Tiger tells me to do. I'm certain that in your warped little fantasy world, the two are connected somehow.
For the rest of us, though, would you mind explaining it? See, to us, my thoughts and opinions exist. They do not impact on how I behave when I am given an order by Argentium. I am allowed to think it is the stupidest order in the world as long as I *FOLLOW* *THE* *ORDER*. Not that I think you'll understand what I just said. It's logical. Apparently logic is wishy-washy, now.
- moonlight wrote:
There you have it folks. JK doesn't care if he permanently damages
someone.
JK wrote:
Cuttings, brandings, canings to break skin, deep scorings, and the like all will permanently damage the skin for instance.
Cuttings may or may not damage the skin permanently, it depends on how they are treated and how they are done. Branding will leave permanent marks on the skin, but other than making it a bit drier will not "damage" it. Breaking the skin during canings, floggings, and other such play is occasionally permanent, but not necessarily. Deep scorings (by which I assume you mean scratching rather than cutting through the skin) heal.
- JK wrote:
There are alot of us doing it
Tiger and myself included. I'll pause while you have the heart attack or the fit that you are building up for......*sighs and waits for another temper tantrum*
- JK wrote:
and so far none of us that are involved have any qualms about it.
Wrong. There are some quantity of people that do it that have qualms about such things and discuss it fairly heavily ahead of time. Making absolute statements that are verifiably false just makes you look *more* of the idiot than you have already. Do you really need that?
- JK wrote:
And some of the finest slaves that I have owned are honored to be treated and called cows - they do after all produce milk if required - without having a kid first - and yes, they are replaceable should I release them or if they should ask to be released.
Talk about lacking a segue....
John, honey? Get a grip. Your cows are allowed to be cows if that's what their kinks are. We're not talking about your cows. We're talking about you.
