Requirement for Doms to demand before submissive gives?   (02/02/00)
	WebMaster wrote: I have some pretty strong feelings about what I heard, and that approach to "submission" , but would love to hear others views on it, so as maybe to see ( or, more accurately understand) the other side. So I would appreciate hearing your views. I've read through most of the thread, and while there've been some really interesting comments made, I'm not sure that I agree wholeheartedly with any of them. So. I'm going to ramble a bit and see if I can figure it out. Bear with me...there's a point in here somewhere. I've found myself in very similar headspaces to the woman that you're speaking about, I think. I'm pretty headstrong and stubborn when it comes to most things. You can change my mind...IF you have a good argument with proof. I also have a very large part of me that *loves* to be the weak damsel that is just *forced* into doing all sorts of lewd unspeakable things that *good* girls *just* *don't* *do*. *ahem* And, I *love* to play rough. To fight back. To be forced and taken. All of this is pretty hard to manage when Tiger just has to crook his finger to get a moderate amount of obedience. (Moderate only because I *am* human and have bad days. :) The idea that I, as a slave/submissive, am holding something back or away from him gives him the right to demand it. And me the right to resist it. And, coincidentally, the ability *to* fight back. :) I can blame it on that part of me that isn't "his". Unfortunately, that means that there *is* a part that gets held back and has to be taken/forced/whatevered. It rears its ugly little head at bad times and I have to get it back under control quickly, sometimes. Some submissives are wired to be "challenging" or "difficult" or "resistant". It doesn't mean they're not really submissive. It just means they're different. They need to find people that can deal with it and enjoy that type of dynamic. Obviously, you and your partner are not quite that type. :) I don't know that *I* am, all the time. For the most part, I try to be fairly compliant and obedient and not break the hard rules. I don't really resist on most things. But...I know that lurking somewhere in my partner is the side that *wants* me to keep something away from him so he *can* force me. He likes it too, you see. :) Sometimes, anyway. It's more of a dance when it isn't going all of the time. And sometimes you get your signals crossed and can flub up who wants what when.